No, fading is not a DFing offense.... but 'just not be there', and they treat you as if you are DF'd. I am not DF'd, but my sister considers me "apostate"... haha! which I am, but I never talk to them about it... I just do not 'go'
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New data movement this is what I see as their goals .
by Crazyguy inafter listening to the leaked videos this is what i think it’s all about.
first i don’t believe they will want to much personal information ie bank accounts etc do to potential legal problems down the road.
what i think is their goal is once all publishers are in the data base they then have no need for written information about any issue concerning a publisher and how issues are handled by elders and the branch etc... this information now is in their own data base and can be deleted or manipulated by them at any time.
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How to "turn the tables" on still-in witness who pry about our status.
by stuckinarut2 inso many of us have had (perhaps well-meaning) jws ask us questions about our inactivity, or lack of attendance at meetings.
they may pry about why..... how is this for a simple, yet straight to the point response?
to a sincere person, it may play on their mind and make them ask more questions.
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I understand what you are saying scratchme.... I kind of feel the same way.... I know how JWs think…
But........
Like stuckinarut was musing... I want to have a retort ready, to blast them if they ask. Kind of a 'damned if they do, and damned if they don't" kind of answer. I don’t like being left speechless, like I just got hit on the head.
My JW uber duber sister, with an elder for a husband, came up to me as I came to clean my JW mother's house, and announced to me:
"I just want you to know. We know you are not disfellowshipped, but you don't believe in the name of Jehovah. You are an apostate, and we ARE going to shun you"
So, I have been thinking about this for a long time, and I thought... if anyone ever says this to me again, I will reply:
"That is the difference between you and I."
"I am not going to be complicit in child sex abuse. I have seen the WT lawyers lie. I have seen Geoffrey Jackson lie in a court of law. God does not make me sit with liars, but if I want my family, the WT B&S makes me to go to meetings and sit with men of lies. That’s blackmail. No thank you, that is NOT for me. That IS the difference between you and I."
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Does the younger generation have our work ethic?
by compound complex ingreetings, you hard workers:.
i've had enough of speaking in generalities during my time as a jw evangelizer.
while my own experience will offer up mere anecdotal examples at best, my contemporaries and i have found that kids today lack the earnestness and drive we older folks have had since youth: setting up a lemonade stand; doing yard work without power assist; mopping floors; running errands for a dime; cleaning parking lots, etc.
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OMGGGG!!!! Sour Grapes! That video is JUST like my office! Don't you DARE ask them to do, aha, hmmm anything? more than minimal?
They call in late ALL the time, they 'get sick'... they are ready to scream "mental health'!/ HR, and totally have their latte's, starbucks, etc.
It is ALLLLL about THEM! Ages? There were a couple in their 20's, but these are the 30-40 year olds.
I have a few co-workers that actually work, are courteous, and reasonable. They are the 'older' generation, 50+, except this one girl, she is around 40, very polite, quiet, helpful.
Is it just the 'society', the 'culture' that we live in? I just don't know, but I absolutely hate their attitude. They want ME to come to THEIR desk to answer questions... Will they come to mine? NOT! Me first, me first, me always..... that is how I would describe them.
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Selling off their London Properties.
by Lost in the fog inhaving sold off their brooklyn properties for $$$$ the watchtower society is doing the same thing with their properties in london, england.
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http://ibsaproperty.com .
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Lost in the Fog... 7 or 8 properties!!! These are beautiful, awesome, expensive, audacious properties! If any of US owned them... we would be "counselled"
I agree with many, that the WT is "closing house."
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The secret fears - did you have any?
by days of future passed ini think many jw's have secret fears in common, but don't often voice them.
it's too bad because then they might wonder why?.
for instance, one day at work while i was talking to one of the witness ladies, (on her belief of some bible proof of the last days) she suddenly lowered her voice.
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ok, I just have to know... Did any of you ever have this fear that IF you had a "demonic" experience... like a nightmare, and you woke up with your heart racing? or heard a weird sound that you didn't know where it was coming from, so it had to be a demon....
that IF you let on that you KNEW there was a demon that they would bother you more.... that would be IT!! you would REALLY have demon problems...
BUT, if you ignored them, pretended that they weren't there, they would go away?
There was a time when my JW sister had been hearing this weird 'chirping' sound in her hallway, by her bedroom for weeks, she pretended that it did not exist... ignored it... for WEEKS!
I came over, heard the sound, looked around... When I went towards it (to the left) the sound went to the right... When I looked right, it went left....
THEN, I looked up..... It was the smoke alarm... the battery had gone dead, and it was chirping! All that torture for weeks because she believed in demons!
I have had none of these experiences, or dreams since leaving. No demon worries. Ahhh... so glad to be free!
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NBC News: Cults are terrifying. But they're even worse for women. (JWs child abuse issue is mentioned)
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/cults-are-terrifying-they-re-even-worse-women-ncna862051 alexandra stein, ph.d. is an honorary research fellow at birkbeck, university of london.
her latest book, "terror, love and brainwashing: attachment in cults and totalitarian systems" was published in 2017cults are terrifying.
but they're even worse for women.
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News organizations are getting more specific regarding Jehovah's witnesses thanks to the hard work put in by many caring ex-JWs. I love kids, was going to have 100 if them in "The new order " (1 every 10 years.. I would have to do it before the 1,000 year reign ended, right???!!!) I was so worried that "may be I would die before Armageddon, that I'd never get kids, that I made sure I had at least TWO!!! I am SO glad I did, I would be so mad of I didn't! Yes, these religions are ruining families lives. Thx NBC, thx, Barbara!
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For Active JW Men: Ideas on Awakening Your JW Spouse (Long post)
by Open mind indisclaimer: your mileage may vary.
if you are a married, "active, in good standing" (tm), jw male who has recently discovered that the .
watchtower is not what it claims to be, this thread is for you.
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Open mind, thank you for this thread, and the links you provided in your original post. I really enjoyed reading about Ian (Dansk), and as I went back in time, I got to see other posters that were here when I first started, six (?) years ago.... T
This forum has it's 'waves' of styles and interests of subjects. In the "old days", haha, it seems like there were more in depth discussions regarding 607, etc. I guess most people have discovered the truth about that, and this forum still allows us to seek the solace we need as we escape the mind control of the borg.
Nice to see that you are still here ;-)
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For Active JW Men: Ideas on Awakening Your JW Spouse (Long post)
by Open mind indisclaimer: your mileage may vary.
if you are a married, "active, in good standing" (tm), jw male who has recently discovered that the .
watchtower is not what it claims to be, this thread is for you.
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So sorry, crazy guy, only an ex-jdub can really feel the depth of what you said in such a short space. We understand the craziness, the 'loyalty' the insanity of their 'love' for the borg. It is like people who idolize rock stars.... "idolization"... the perfect word... love based on fantasy not reality. it is crazy. You have such a great spirit to have kept trying so hard for the sake of your daughter. I think it is the great people who leave... the ones with a heart, a soul and a conscience.
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Funny things to not do at the Memorial
by rebel8 inpull out a can of cheese whiz, top the bread with it, and take a nibble.. .
say really loud...."oh, wow!
jesus' body is really tasty this year!".
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Hilarious! Nice to see you again. My sister & I had a good laugh! Thx for bumping ;-)
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Trey is still on top of it!
by cha ching inthere is still a chance that the watchtower files zalkin received, will surface again in the future!
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https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witness-abuse-files-remain-secret-after-court-settlements/.
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What the WT did, in it's last legal battle in Southern California is not going unnoticed... The Canadian TV documentary, airing today, has this clip regarding the fines WT is willing to pay.